UPDATE......
This is as good as I can get for a map.
STOP ! Before you go any farther this does have a few pictures of the inside of the house on County Road 500 in Ruggles that was burnt to the ground. The first is a picture of the garage which still stands and you can see it from overhead on google earth maps.The next one is the outside of that house before it was burnt.The next 2 are inside the house, you can see the blood running down the wall in the stairway, the other is looking down the stairs from the landing, look at the one that is smeared across the wall, it looks like there is a name in it. The next picture is showing how the house was setting back behind the woods, from the road this is all you could see, look closely you can see the garage. The next picture is the Westlake house, note how close it sets beside the bank parking lot. In the next picture it is showing the house in the map that the stranger drew in Paula's store of the house across from the police dept. The next picture is in the Ruggles area and may or may not have a connection to the case. It was brought to my attention many years ago. The last 2 are again of the house on 500. These are just a collection of some of the pictures I've acquired over the years.
This is as good as I can get for a map.
STOP ! Before you go any farther this does have a few pictures of the inside of the house on County Road 500 in Ruggles that was burnt to the ground. The first is a picture of the garage which still stands and you can see it from overhead on google earth maps.The next one is the outside of that house before it was burnt.The next 2 are inside the house, you can see the blood running down the wall in the stairway, the other is looking down the stairs from the landing, look at the one that is smeared across the wall, it looks like there is a name in it. The next picture is showing how the house was setting back behind the woods, from the road this is all you could see, look closely you can see the garage. The next picture is the Westlake house, note how close it sets beside the bank parking lot. In the next picture it is showing the house in the map that the stranger drew in Paula's store of the house across from the police dept. The next picture is in the Ruggles area and may or may not have a connection to the case. It was brought to my attention many years ago. The last 2 are again of the house on 500. These are just a collection of some of the pictures I've acquired over the years.
91 comments:
There are too many places to keep track of. Where the blood is, is this that cabin the FBI took samples from and found it was deer blood, or is this a different house?
The big white house in Ruggles looks familiar, but I am not sure why.
What intersection was the house on CR 500 near?
I like using bing.com/maps to get a birds eye view, too. Some areas, like Ruggles, are too remote to rotate the picture, though. Sometimes you can't get a birds eye in other remote areas as well.
Wouldn't it be nice if someone restored that big white house? That's impressive and I hope they don't burn that one down, too. I wonder what is the history behind that house. What is that house's possible connection to Amy and where is it located?
Esroa:
The FBI didn't do anything with the cabin. They never went there to my knowledge.I've not put a picture of the cabin on here.
The blood is in the smaller white house, and it wasn't deer from what I was told.The FBI took many things from this house.
There are several large homes in Ashland County that look like this.
Anonymous:
That would be State Route 60.
That house does have some history, I can't say what it is, they have been working on it for awhile now.
I can only say it is in Ashland County.Wish I could tell you more, you would find it very interesting.
James has the picture of that house (the one you posted that was set on fire), and a few of the pictures of the blood with holes in the wall that were supposedly cut out by the FBI, on his site.
http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com/2007/03/ashland-frights_15.html
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http://tinyurl.com/y9wh5hm
I may be mistaken, but I believe the big white house is on 224, about a mile west of the 250 intersection.
I could be mistaken, but I believe the big white house is on 224, a mile or two west of the 250 junction.
Castle Hill Farm / Crittenden Farm
Esora:
I don't see what the difference would be if James posts some of them or I post some of them they are pictures of the house in question that was burnt down with the blood in it.Same house where people in that area say is where they killed Amy.
I am not questioning you posting those pictures. I am just saying James had posted them and said it was not Amy's blood but deer blood.
So I was asking how did you hear that it wasn't deer blood? Because the pictures James posted show holes cut out of the wall taken by the FBI for tests.
Has law enforcement said the blood they found was human?
I don't doubt local people are saying that is where Amy was killed.
Esora:
James was mislead by different people, don't know the reason, they just lied to him. Maybe fear of the truth coming out.
I had spoke to one person of authority that was there that does know for sure the blood was human.I had also heard it was type O blood. Other than that I can't think of one reason to clean deer in the upstairs of a house can you? This wasn't a deal where a deer had been wounded and ran into the house and banged against the walls. For one thing the marks are to high on the walls. And I see no reason for the FBI to cut holes in the floors and walls either and then take the pieces with them.I'm open for suggestions.
The other thing that kinda brings it together with Amy is the fact her body had next to no blood left in it. And non at the site she was found. Which means her blood had to go somewhere and there was a lot of blood in that house.
Esora,
James got his results from the fire department, who by the way burned the house to the ground shortly after the FBI left. I'm sure some of the blood is animal blood, I'm also sure some of it is Human!! Too many people have said they were in that house and they did put their blood there, via cutting themselves. Also, I have never heard of a fire department testing blood, that is up to a forensics team in law enforcement not the Fire Department. Do you really think the FBI is going to search a house, dismantle it, order it burned, because of animal blood? BTW , I'm just assuming it was the FBI who wanted it burned. It would be interesting to see the search warrant for that whole scenario.
BTW, Liz is correct in there being something written on that wall. I do see the word "Amy M" scraped into the wall.
Curious:
I was also told that a pentagram was on the floor, and when a sheriff's deputy went to take pictures of it they had no film in the camera and went to get some, when they came back the house was already burning, no mention of the fire dept. being there at that time.
Your right that's what name I saw!
Anyone with stories you would like to be told about that house or any others pictured here and want someone else to do it can email me, letshearit2010@hotmail.com
Thanks for the pictures. Can anyone give a better description of where a name is scratched into the pictures?
Dave:
Look at the picture where the blood is smeared across the wall it's in that area.
It does look kind of like "Amy M" written backwards in that one picture.
I was in no way saying you are wrong, it was just all I had to go on was James saying it was deer blood.(yes I am fully aware he is often wrong, but that was the only reference I had on the matter) As for why a deer be gutted in a house? People do strange things all the time. If it was a cult they could have done an animal sacrifice. (I am not saying it is deer blood on the walls. I have no clue, just saying people often do strange things.)
As for the FBI taking sections of wall. I can see them doing it. Forensic teams cut holes out of carpet, so why not sections out of dry wall? Especially if they think a crime happened. But why would the FBI order the house to be burnt if it was a crime scene? Is there a way to find out from the fire dept. who ordered the burn? Having it burnt sounds more like a local cover up.
As always, I am fascinated with all the stuff you are coming up with. Hopefully you will get this solved one day.
Esora:
The property owner has to be the one that requests the burn. The burn was done after the FBI had collected the things they needed. That included the pieces from the walls as well as the floors.
Jame's wasn't wrong on this , he was missinformed, no two ways about it. They outright lied to him. One can only imagine what the reason was for doing that.
Your right people do strange things.I was told too that some animals were hanging from trees on the property. I'm not talking deer.
Do you know who the official owner was of that home when the fire dept came in? Yes an owner can give the house to the fire dept as a practice house.
I ask because the house looks very run down and abandoned. Could the gov't of seized it for some reason? (behind in taxes and etc)
Esora:
That house was empty from back in 1976,area kids used it for a party house. Back in the 80's there were a lot of abondoned houses, people die, put in nursing homes, they were farms and were used just for farming and the house's just sat . People didn't want to live in them so they just sat till they fell down. One just recently burned on county road 126 not far from where Amy was found.It was set by accident from a kid leaving a cigar burning,he was caught because he also left his cell phone. There are still vacant house's in that area.
I think different people own the property now.
Well if the house was that bad, it could have been condemned and burnt as practice for the FD.
Esora:
It could have. The thing is the deputy went back to take pictures and it was already burning, So who knows?
I'm still having a hard time figuring out these locations on the map. Is the house on CR 500 between 60 and CR 1183 on the south side?
And while we're at it, is the cabin in the woods on CR 1181 where Amy was found on the SW corner of 1181 & TR 126, south of the tracks? And where Amy was found, was that north of TR 126, across the road from the first treeline north or the second? I see two treelines across from that field.
Just trying to straighten it out.
I'm kind of wondering if some crazy kids thinking they are trying to be devil worshippers did all that blood and even inscribed Amy's name because that was a big thing in that area. I do have a hard time seeing the name, though. Is it faint above the dark wooden wall board, the tan part on top, not the striped yellow/white? But I agree, there is not a straight story of what went on in that house, from the discovered blood up until they burnt it down.
Anonymous:
The log cabin set at the intersection of 1181 and 126.SW corner.It is not in the woods. From the log cabin going thru the intersection going N. on 1181 Amy was found on the left side of the road.Just a few yards before you get to Huron County Rd. 16. Now go back to the intersection of 126turn around and go back towards 16 again and there is a new house on your right, just past that is a tree line, across from that is where Amy was found.
The name is scratched in the blood on the wall where it looks like it is smeared across. It is not in the picture where the steps are.
Based on what you just said now I see where in the blood it is written. I can just make out an "A M" in that wide smear of blood. I am not seeing the "Y M".
I am with Anonymous, I have a hard time keeping these locations straight. Would it be possible for you to put up a map with the places marked with x's?
A few ideas/questions etc about the house, the paint and the initials. Can you tell me how long after Amy was found was this house searched and photographed? I'm thinking if it was some time after her remains were discovered then it is quite possible that a)the A and M were scratched by youngsters and b) therefore the blood would have to have been spread on the walls after her death as it appears the blood covers the initials. This theory might also stand as it is like something some youths might do.
Also, regarding there being an A and an M (which is all I can see too) but no Y it occurred to me that A and M are Amy's initials (Amy Mihaljevic).
Just some random thoughts I had, sorry if this has been posted before somewhere.
Dave:
I'm not sure how long it was between the time Amy was found and the house searched and pictures were taken. I'm thinking that it was almost right away because the FBI had calls of activity going on in that house.I assume when they found Amy they went right away because it was so close in the area and they hadn't been there yet, from what I've been told. I'll check my records and get back with you on that.
Could the AM have also referred to Al Matlock's initials?
These are not initials. These are scratches in the wall. They are in many of the blood splotches. This is like seeing Jesus in a tortilla shell.
I see: A M Y then an M underneath Amy.
I would tend to agree with 'anonymous' regarding whether these even are the initials A and M, although they do look similar. You often see what you 'want' to see. I might have a look at these with photoshop etc later and see if I can come up with anything.
DAVE:
The FBI went right away to the house on 500, because someone had informed them of what was going on in that house the day they found Amy in that field.Another person near the house walked into the driveway and watched the FBI put large pieces of drywall from the house into the helicopter. The FBI also took pingerprints of all the walls, note the fingerprint dust on the walls.They also cut flooring and places in the walls. Refer back to James site to see what the FBI said about the place.
Anonymous:
Everybody has there own opinion, thanks for yours.
Judi:
Yes it could have been Al Matlock or Amy Mihaljevic. Those two names are what most people think.
@ Anonoymous,
Are you telling me you can't see those initial scratched into the wall? What kind of scratches do you think they are?
Thanks for your reply Liz, that the FBI were in that house so soon really does open up a lot of interpretations. I'm assuming that the sections in these pictures (primarily the ones with the carved letters) were taken by the FBI. I get the shivers just looking at these.
Does anyone know the posting on James's site that tells what the FBI said about the house from which all that potential evidence was removed? Or at least the year it was posted? I wanted to reread it in light of what I think now.
Dave:
The plot thickens, no these pictures were not taken by the FBI,they were taken by other authorities that were also called to the scene.I was told by them that FBI probably didn't see the area with the letters because it was so dark in that stairwell. If they had seen it they would have cut the wall out and took it with them as they did several others. They said the only reason it showed up at all was becasue the flash went off in their camera.
"because"
Judi:
I think it's a few yrs. ago when he commented to someone about it.
Curious,
Look at the blotch right below the supposed initials. There is a scratch running right through it in much the same way. In fact, you can see scratches in many of the blood marks.
Thanks for the map, Liz. I think I see the spot. I'm thinking it's the spot that shows a white garage(?) set in a clearing way back off the road behind frontage woods. There is some woods east of the garage clearing and woods south of it. There is a long driveway leading to the "garage". I take it the house was next to the garage there?
I take it that where Amy was found was across from the first treeline north of TR 126 (and on the east side of 1181). It seems more than a few yards from CR 16 as this "new house" is much closer to 126.
I always thought Matlock's uncle's (?) cabin was described as in the woods. So was it north or south of the tracks in that SW corner? Was it in that little clearing behind that farm with the red barn and pond?
Is there not any way to find out the results of that blood or other testing in that house? I'm still leaning on teenagers trying to be creepy or something as that seems more probable to me. Why hasn't the FBI followed up with those who DID get the possible evidence?
Liz,
I just reread your one comment.
That big white house with the flourishes- you can't tell more because you don't want to disclose something on here or you just don't know more? They're "working on it"
as in restoration or as in investigation?
Anonymous:
That's the right spot for the garage. I have no idea where the house sat, it was burnt down soon after Amy was found and before I knew of it.Yes the first tree line.
The cabin or camper in the woods was just a thought Renner came up with.Because Amy was kept inside someplace that was not heated so his guess was a cabin or camper. Nothing to it.
It is on the the sw intersection of 126 and 1181, it sets close to the road.
The FBI has all the evidence they took it with them in the helicopter. They are not going to share it with anyone.
The FBI are still following up on things.That includes Det.Spaetzel.
I don't have anything to disclose, when I do I'll let you know.
They're working on it as in restoration.
@ Anonymous,
The M is right under Amy, at least that's what I see anyway. Are you familiar with the house? Just curious.
I'm sorry but when I was a teen, this kinda stuff never ever entered into our realm, nor did it with anyone I knew.
@ Dave,
I see what I see, as does everyone, I certainly didn't *want* to see anything there, nor did I want to see a face in one of the other pictures associated with this house.
Thanks, Liz, for the feedback.
Curious, there are a lot of things teens do today that I didn't do as a kid. There's that whole goth movement, I don't know how far they go with things or "rituals". Who knows, if they read up on something and try to mimic it. The walls do show some kind of pattern, though, as if each spot was purposely placed.
Where is this picture of a face in the window?
I also just wanted to say that I really don't see the "Amy M". Maybe it's my computer but I just see some straight lines and diagonal lines but can't make out formation of the letters. I'm just taking your all's word on it.
Liz,
Just out of curiosity, why do you write "moving on" after all your passages?
Anonymous:
Was it the window or was it the wall that the face is in?
I don't believe the FBI was thinking it was kids while they were cutting sections out of the walls and flooring and fingerprinting everything in sight.
Anonymous:
I use the phrase MOVING ON.....because I don't want to be stuck in a rut.I don't think going over and over and over the same thing let's us make any headway. We can always go back to something instead of not getting to it at all. MOVING ON............
This is strange. I asked Curious about a face "in the window" and now, checking back, I see she never mentioned it was a window. However, seeing the other new pictures of the house at the bottom, I do see a "face" in the window reflection of the bottom picture, top pane, third from right. This wouldn't mean anything to anyone except possibly paranormal investigations.
Thanks, Liz, for the closer up picture, I can see the letters now.
I can't see LE/FBI not doing a thorough investigation, collecting evidence regardless of their opinions of what it could be on an initial walk-through. I wasn't implying that I would expect them to go in there, shrug their shoulders and say "Kids!". They have to go through the process regardless to rule something out. I'm not saying I'm right, just giving my opinion on probability. And if I'm wrong, I have - no words.
Any forensics people out there that can explain the pattern of blood? Like what would cause that? The best way I can describe the effect would be like a water balloon hitting a wall causing the roundish splat then the dripping down. But what was happening with the blood? How was blood getting there like that?
Anonymous:
I was questioning the window.I didn't notice anything in the window.I have seen the reflections (from the black garbage bags that covered the insides of the glass) of the tree branches. Is that what your talking about?
Anonymous:
I was told by a person of authority that it was a heart that was used to make the marks. They dip the heart attached to a stick or rod of some kind into a bucket with blood in it and more or less use it like a stamp, making the dripping marks on the wall. I'm guessing that the places cut out of the walls may have had some human or animal tissue stuck to the walls as well. This could be another way to collect DNA.
If it is a heart, I would think that rules Amy out on that action. I haven't seen where her heart was missing.
The "face" I saw was in the last picture, first floor, top left pane of right side window (looking at it head on). I know it's not relevant, but since you asked!
Anonymous:
There is a lot of information about Amy's case that the public is not aware of. The FBI hasn't released anything yet concerning the shape of the body when it was found. Reread what type of person they are looking for and you will see where this could very well match Amy.The FBI didn't say it for nothing.
From the ten year report?
Anonymous:
The Ten Year Report is listed on this site. See what type of person the FBI is looking for.
Anonymous:
This is what I'm talking about.
There was a drastic change in his life, maybe a sudden fascination with a cult or radical religious group.
I see what you mean when you single that out. But when I read it in context, I take it as one thing to consider, a suggestion- different ways this man could have changed prior to the abduction.
"One of the most intriguing aspects of the report is that the killer was most likely to have undergone some sort of dramatic change in his behavior, personality or appearance in the weeks preceding the crime. He developed a sudden compulsive or obsessive disorder, experienced a personal catastrophe or an emotional setback. “He may have started drinking heavily, or stopped drinking suddenly,” says Wrenn. “He could have started into hard drugs or quit a drug habit.” There was a drastic change in his life, maybe a sudden fascination with a cult or radical religious group. Something happened to this man in the fall of 1989, something that would have been noticeable to close friends or relatives.” There was a pre-event stressor,” says Lord, “something that took him from fantasy to action."
I don't see it stated as based upon any solid evidence they may have collected. Unless, you are suggesting they threw in the other scenarios along with the main target profile so they won't show they know exactly what they are looking for (not give too much away).
Anonymous:
We, the public have no idea what they collected for evidence. That being said ,It would be my guess they are telling everyone exactly what they are looking for no more no less. The person will probably fit in with all the different things in the profile. No I don't believe they added another scenario. The person/s that done this are going to fit the profile.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you, but this section here, to me, is the definitive profile:
"the killer was most likely to have undergone some sort of dramatic change in his behavior, personality or appearance in the weeks preceding the crime. He developed a sudden compulsive or obsessive disorder, experienced a personal catastrophe or an emotional setback."
The other descriptions were listed with key words "may", "could have", "maybe" . He may or may not have turned to drinking, religion, or drugs, but any one could be a likely scenario but those choice of words do not convey something absolute to me. If it was, they would say, "This is someone that's involved with a ritualistic cult." It could be something else that fit their profile that summarizes:
"There was a pre-event stressor,” says Lord, “something [whatever that may be] that took him from fantasy to action."
Anyway, if we were to analyze the profile, that is mine. Basically, look for something that would stick out strangely. Not saying any of those suggestions are ruled out, though. I'm keeping an open mind and this house is duly noted. There is nothing to confirm, though, they aren't saying this is the house that Amy was killed in which, I would think, would be pretty big news. I don't think it's unheard of that the scene of an unsolved crime has been relinquished to the public.
If I'm not mistaken, it's been mentioned there was a lot of satanic/cult activity in Ashland around that time period. This house could be tied to that, but may or may not have to do with Amy, other than someone scratching out the name. Don't you think if this house was definitive they would tell the public that the suspect would be connected to this house in some way for a witness to help narrow it down?
I just see an "AM" in the blood pictures. This could mean anything. Amy Mihaljevic, Al Matlock, Anne Murray etc.
I don't see a face in the pictures.
I still think the profile is too generic and that anyone that watches Criminal Minds could have written.
Anonymous:
Thanks for your opinion.
Moving On...
Esora:
It could be anything scratched on the wall.
The profilers that made the ten year report are from quantico.T.V.programs like Criminal minds were made because of people like them.
Yes, I know programs like Criminal Minds are based on the FBI profilers and etc. I still can't help but feel the profile is too generic. It was done over 10 yrs ago, and still has not gotten the case anywhere.
At this point I am putting what the psychics have claimed and the profile on the same level. To me, in my own opinion, I feel it is too generic.
Anyways...
Esora:
I don't know what to tell you, the FBI waited 10 years before they put out the profile of what they are looking for. Which means they had databases with a span of ten years to compare their findings.And from that they came up with what we have today as the ten year report. Maybe they will again update it, who knows, I really doubt it. I believe the FBI has put out as much as they possibly can in the profile now without scaring the area people.
Awhile back there was a guy who was called the man in black. He was out walking the road where Amy was found. He lived in the area. Just his appearence frightened the people to the point they all called the Ashland Sheriff and Bay Village police, thinking that it was the cult. Some claimed they were coming back because they had a daughter! There was nothing to it. Refer back to crime rant for the story.
So I really don't think there will be an update.
I am not asking for an update, or for anyone to agree with me for that point.
I personally think it is too vague. You can make that profile fit several of the "suspects" people like James have outed. And I am sure I could prob find someone on my street that would fit it.
I just hope the BVPD is working with other things that just a vague profile to help solve this.
Esora:
Thanks for your opinion, who knows you could be right.
I just think in the end, it will be the DNA that will finally catch this person.
Esora:
Your right!
Esora,
You're 100% right. I think the composite sketch and eyewitness accounts are worthless. DNA is the only hope we have.
I'm sure they will get him.
To All:
Question,
what was the name of the horse Amy always rode?
His name was Razzle. His was my favorite horse too.
Laura:
Thank you.
Does anyone know the name of the family dog?
Amy's dog's name was Jake. I also had a dog named Jake back then. Must be a popular dog name...
Being little girls, we both tried to dress our dogs in people clothes from time to time...
Laura:
I agree that is a good name, I dress my dogs for their Christmas picture every yr.and the look they give me when I do is better than the pictures I have taken!
Duke was also another good name.
@ Laura,
Did you know Ruth?
@ Curious
I did not not know Ruth.
Any forensics people out there that can explain the pattern of blood? Like what would cause that? The best way I can describe the effect would be like a water balloon hitting a wall causing the roundish splat then the dripping down. But what was happening with the blood? How was blood getting there like that?
Chad
I heard through the old grapevine that it was like a stamp. A person takes blood in a bucket and they use a heart most likely animal and just stamp it on the wall.
Surrounding that house there were animal heads hanging in the trees. I doubt they were cleaning a deer but they could've been sacrificing it or something. There was a ton of cult activity around that area. Which was part of why it's been questioned if it wAs more than one person.
The fire department did NOT burn the house down. They did go to put out the fire. Now am I saying it couldn't have been someone from the fire Dept tht set it in fire? No. That is a possibility. It's a small town with a lot of wierdos. However it was the whole Dept that was ordered to burn it down. They just put the fire out.
Wait who is Al Matlock?
The house was burnt to the ground so, No one lived there. No there never was any orders to burn the house down that was serched in-depth by an outside source that handles fires. It was also reported that dead animals were hanging from the trees outside around the house to make believers of everyone that it was a cult killing. This was as it now is showing something done to make people believe it was something it wasn’t , using it as a coverup for them. And after all these years I’d say it worked! Yes this house was used in the kidnapping and killing of that child. The DNA is I imagine part of what the FBI took to Quantico in that helicopter. Maybe they need to check that. Unless they already know who it was and because of their statice they can’t. Which is my guess. So to see any kind of arrests of these guys is probably not! If you don’t know who Al Matlock is tells me your late to the party!
It was the sane people involved with Robert Feiber and a place in Idaho called " LIGERTOWN". Robert Feiber has changed his name ?( a play on words but he is using the name for real) called Keith Ligori, a Florida attorney.
His brother Chris Ligori lived in that exact area back in the late 1980-s.
Thank you Liz for that clarified info. Wow! A chopper in that area has me really curious. Usually they bring them in for terrorism related or even high speed chases but a random clipboard house in the woods?
Not to mention, pieces of drywall and all that would likely bring a forensic...Team even way back then.
I live nowhere near Ohio but I wish someone could go snooping around there w a pail n shovel just to see if any human ANYTHING could be buried like in front if it in the back if this place.
But that is just me.
Yes who is So Matlock as I don't see him in any other post here? Is this a locals only?
They are animal scratch marks from exotic cats they fed children too
No they were scratches from the joggers dog! Along with hair from a dog on the body according to a person that was there the day she was found! FACT!
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